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经济学家保罗•克鲁格曼 ——“干掉欧盟”（Killing the European Project）。文章很短，值得一读。

假设你认为（希腊总理）齐普拉斯是个无能的蠢货。假设你希望（执政党）希腊左翼激进联盟下台。假设你希望把希腊人赶出欧元区。

就算是这样，欧元集团开出的一系列条件也太疯狂了。推特上的流行词“这是政变”总结得恰如其分。谈判直接变成了纯粹的报复行为，彻底毁掉一个国家的主权，完全看不到债务减记的希望。这是故意让希腊人无法接受；但就算这样，这也背离了欧盟体制设计的初衷。

还能把欧洲从悬崖边拽回来吗？传言称，（欧洲央行行长）德拉吉试图找回一点儿理性，奥朗德终于想制衡一下德国的道德经济学。但损失已然无可挽回。现在还有谁相信德国的好心肠？

在某种意义上，经济学已经变成次要问题。不过，道理还是要讲清楚：过去几周的进展表明，如果你想待在欧元区，那么，一旦某方面不及格，债权人就可以摧毁你的经济。一个国家在得不到债务减记的前提下实行严厉的紧缩政策，就算再怎么努力，也不能翻身——现在这句话变得再正确不过。就算希腊人彻底投降，结局也是死结。

希腊能够成功退出欧元区吗？德国能否阻止经济复苏？（不好意思，但我们现在必须提出这个问题。）

欧盟这一体制设计——我以前一直推崇备至——遭遇了巨大打击，这一打击可能是致命的。无论你对希腊执政党或希腊这个国家有何意见，（欧盟体制的瓦解）不是希腊人造成的。


Suppose you consider Tsipras an incompetent twerp. Suppose you dearly want to see Syriza out of power. Suppose, even, that you welcome the prospect of pushing those annoying Greeks out of the euro.


Even if all of that is true, this Eurogroup list of demands is madness. The trending hashtag ThisIsACoup is exactly right. This goes beyond harsh into pure vindictiveness, complete destruction of national sovereignty, and no hope of relief. It is, presumably, meant to be an offer Greece can’t accept; but even so, it’s a grotesque betrayal of everything the European project was supposed to stand for.


Can anything pull Europe back from the brink? Word is that Mario Draghi is trying to reintroduce some sanity, that Hollande is finally showing a bit of the pushback against German morality-play economics that he so signally failed to supply in the past. But much of the damage has already been done. Who will ever trust Germany’s good intentions after this?


In a way, the economics have almost become secondary. But still, let’s be clear: what we’ve learned these past couple of weeks is that being a member of the eurozone means that the creditors can destroy your economy if you step out of line. This has no bearing at all on the underlying economics of austerity. It’s as true as ever that imposing harsh austerity without debt relief is a doomed policy no matter how willing the country is to accept suffering. And this in turn means that even a complete Greek capitulation would be a dead end.


Can Greece pull off a successful exit? Will Germany try to block a recovery? (Sorry, but that’s the kind of thing we must now ask.)


The European project — a project I have always praised and supported — has just been dealt a terrible, perhaps fatal blow. And whatever you think of Syriza, or Greece, it wasn’t the Greeks who did it.

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Greece’s union of civil servants, Adedly, called for a 24-hour strike on Wednesday, and for a series of demonstrations, the first one tonight at Syntagma Square, just below the Parliament, and another one on Wednesday evening, when Parliament is expected to vote on the new, even tougher, and immensely hated bailout package.

The union for local government employees, Poe-Ota, also called for a 24-hour strike on Wednesday, the AFP reported. Two other demonstrations against austerity and the “euro” are planned for Monday night, one organized via social networks, the other by Antarsya, an anti-euro party that didn’t make it into Parliament.

It would be the first strike against the leftwing Syriza coalition since it came to power six months ago. An ironic plot twist in this tragedy.

Syriza was the big force in the demonstrations against the two prior bailout packages, totaling €240 billion from taxpayers in other countries, conditioned on economic reforms pushed through Parliament by the conservative governments at the time. Now Syriza is looking at having to pass even tougher measures, including an increase in the Value Added Tax and pension reform, in return for only €86 billion in new money from taxpayers in other countries

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一帮无赖猴子上蹿下跳，诺贝尔奖金获得者经济学家保罗•克鲁格曼煽风点火。呵呵。

archers

你想怎样（台湾腔）？

ssgo2008

退就是个死，不退幸苦死，就该这样。

kaleege

老万觉得美国的破产制度如何？破产制度=借债不还

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kaleege 发表于 2015-7-14 15:43
老万觉得美国的破产制度如何？破产制度=借债不还

希腊退欧就是破产，不退欧就是继续借债。 美国大萧条就是破产，QE就是继续借债。

出来混都是要还的，结局都是我们正在经历的。我们现在看希腊的热闹，就是为我们未来的生活作准备。

宫本武藏

哈哈哈，希腊这种垃圾国家，还有什么脸面存在在这个世界上？

支持土耳其回子把希腊收购了，重建大奥斯曼帝国。